Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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  • Looper
    Looper   2 weeks back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • happinesstan
      happinesstan  2 days back

      Most of it. The scene in which he is in the audience at Murray's show (I have my suspicions that Murray's joke may have also been Arthur's delusion, based on the fact that Arthur laughs in time) and his relationship are delusions. The 3 flashback scenes that many complain about, grounds the rest of the story [up to that point] in reality.

      I think the joke is that Arthur has lived a life of obscurity in a society where he doesn't belong, but now that society has placed him where they think he belongs, he will gain notoriety. I'm no Batman aficionado, but it strikes me that Joker's success could be in his ability to manipulate the minds of the criminally insane. As a talented clown he has alreay demonstrated his ability to mesmerise.

      However, I do believe there is one joke aimed at the audience. And that joke is introduced in the scene which introduces the cinema audience [it seems painfully obvious]. In 1981 the audience are watching a 1936 film, named 'Modern Times', laughing, whilst outside the world destroys itself. It reminds me that it is over 40 years since Scorsese entertained us all with his warnings, and yet here we are again.

      Top film.

    • Sevren Hoover
      Sevren Hoover  3 days back

      Pogokoala agree 110%

    • Painted Solace
      Painted Solace  4 days back

      @Ben Owen was that not the same person?

    • Originality Am
      Originality Am  4 days back

      It's multiple choice .

    • Dean W. Thomas
      Dean W. Thomas  4 days back

      I don’t believe any of it happened except for the final scene.

  • Testus Test
    Testus Test  2 hours back

    Thomas Wayne:
    "...those of us who´ve made a good life for ourselves will always look at those who haven´t as nothing but clowns"

    Bruce Wayne:
    "As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting."

    "C´mon, Murray, do I look like the kind of clown who could start a movement?"

    • Dark Chocolate
      Dark Chocolate  2 hours back

      It's just a movie, geez. None of it really happened. Just watch it and enjoy.

      • PolarPhantom
        PolarPhantom  3 hours back

        "This is an imaginary story.

        "Aren't they all?"

        • Curlieq55
          Curlieq55  4 hours back

          Well, he can’t be the Joker as Batman’s nemesis because of the age difference between Arthur and Bruce Wayne. I feel that the movie’s real takeaway is how society treats its mentally ill and its lower middle class to poor. Joker was just the vehicle.

          • Siddhant Upadhyay
            Siddhant Upadhyay  6 hours back

            I hope the killings were not a imagination because he is a DC villain for god’s sake

            • Peter Krug
              Peter Krug  9 hours back

              Other than the scene we see early on where Arthur is on Murrays show and Murray hugs him (which I think is pretty obvious just Arthurs fantasy) I assumed every scene in the film was supposed to have really happened. (In the films fictional world, that is.)

              • DRE Dre
                DRE Dre  10 hours back

                Maybe r a k i m' s character inspired the joker

                • DogeBread
                  DogeBread  10 hours back


                  • arno olv
                    arno olv  14 hours back

                    Then why is this a DC movie if isn’t in anyway related to the Joker.

                    • Joe Second
                      Joe Second  16 hours back

                      Arthur is roughly 35 years older than Bruce in this world. This joker would be 80 by the time Batman is Batman.

                      • oskari lepisto
                        oskari lepisto  19 hours back

                        why cant this movie just be a true story about the 1 and only joker

                        • Daniele Manno
                          Daniele Manno  20 hours back

                          Great video

                          • ShockwaveDawn
                            ShockwaveDawn  20 hours back

                            I was thinking a lot about "Gotham" (the show), where the backstory of the Joker is also presented, but also with the idea that the Joker comes from seeing the events happening around him, rather than actually being part of the events. In "Gotham" the character of Jerome also inspires the people to become "Jokers", and so it's implied - although we never see the actual Joker - that he was influenced by a maniac and so came to be, still without us knowing his actual background.

                            • St Pietro
                              St Pietro  21 hours back

                              This is a really good movie but if they’re not connecting it to the new Batman it was a waste. The problem with the dceu is that they can’t keep an actor and make the movies connect. I hope they reevaluate and connect this with the new Batman movie. I don’t want to have to watch shitty marvel movies

                              • Youngdon Thesauceking
                                Youngdon Thesauceking  22 hours back

                                I don’t get why they wouldn’t continue this joker and create their own universe, to me this is like the true beginning of the dceu. What’s the point of making a joker movie, casting Robert Pattinson as Batman, and showing Batman’s origin story, just to stop it here.

                                • Rolnik Aitmatov
                                  Rolnik Aitmatov  22 hours back

                                  To be fair, when there was the scene where he was in the police car with the "white room" playing I kinda wanted too to go on a riot

                                  • Bąbel
                                    Bąbel  1 days back

                                    I honestly, after reading people's theories and having watched the film once, have shifted this way: (because of one detail)

                                    At no point in the story is it mentioned where he actually got his scars. What we know is that he must've acquired them before all the story of The Dark Knight, and essentially every film that comes after Joker (2019). Taking this into consideration, I've come to believe that he is NOT the real Joker. He is one of the possibilities the real Joker's plot could've gone towards.

                                    Let me explain: this film is not the original prequel to the story of the Joker himself, but a parallel prequel in time to the actual prequel that is to come some day. This would explain the director's precise answer, that Joaqin's Joker WILL NOT cross with The Batman in the sequel, because he simply isn't the Joker and will have his parallel storyline, which might, for example, show the escalation of the real Joker's action's, and Arthur taking the blame (his conscience or otherwise), going insane, and ending up locked up because of a MEMBER OF SOCIETY that wanted to show how society is bad, closing the loop because of actually making one of his soulmates suffer in the process. That would've been the joke.. This way, the last scene of Joker (2019) would be situated in time when the chaos starts to spin off some point in time when the actual Joker goes on a killing spree.

                                    • Adrian Schneider
                                      Adrian Schneider  1 days back

                                      Think about Ben affleck the worst Batman who had no Joker in his movies. Arthur Fleck is a Joke about Ben affleck as Batman and is just a „JOKE“ from the Joker. Behause we Never Heard- of the Name Arthur Fleck. Jack napier is a name i Heard

                                      • Fly wie Lubitz
                                        Fly wie Lubitz  1 days back

                                        The real joker lives in a society

                                        • Adrian Schneider
                                          Adrian Schneider  1 days back

                                          Arthur Fleck is just a „Joke“ from the Joker. Its exactly this Kind of Humor. Thats why he Said „you wouldnt understand“. it was the First „real“ scene.

                                          • Elena Sos
                                            Elena Sos  1 days back

                                            Todd Phillips is an amazing filmmaker

                                            • fact gasm
                                              fact gasm  1 days back

                                              Personally I thought the last scene was straightforward enough. Joker walks away, leaving his psychiatrist's blood in his footprints.

                                              "You won't get it" he says.

                                              • fact gasm
                                                fact gasm  1 days back

                                                Superb movie. The makers really understood how someone can slide all the way from struggling with life all the way to insanity. I felt very sorry indeed for the main character. He had a bad start in life and took one huge blow after another in quick succession with no safety net there to catch him. That's why he resorted to suicide ideation. He couldn't take being who he was any longer, being a no-one, rejected, humiliated and tormented every direction he turned. He had to become someone else. Once he found a source of strength, a way to punish and to eliminate those who wronged him, he felt power - probably for the first time in his life - and suddenly he was a someone.

                                                • fact gasm
                                                  fact gasm  1 days back

                                                  Superb movie. The makers really understood how someone can slide all the way from struggling with life all the way to insanity. I felt very sorry indeed for the main character. He had a bad start in life and took one huge blow after another in quick succession with no safety net there to catch him. That's why he resorted to suicide ideation. He couldn't take being who he was any longer, being a no-one, rejected, humiliated and tormented every direction he turned. He had to become someone else. Once he found a source of strength, a way to punish and to eliminate those who wronged him, he felt power - probably for the first time in his life - and suddenly he was a someone.

                                                  • Aglaitso
                                                    Aglaitso  1 days back

                                                    So... no one's going to talk about the "Arthur flex" on the beginning?

                                                    • Noël de Cocq van Delwijnen

                                                      If the whole movie is an imagination of Phoenix or he tells a story because he wants to chose a past, why would he have any imagination inside his imagination? He tells a story about his past but within that story he makes up things wich he believes really his imagination that is because he tells a story...that doesn't make any sense. So for me everything really happened except offcourse being in the audience with Murray and having a girlfriend.

                                                      • Ryan English
                                                        Ryan English  1 days back

                                                        Don’t shit on a masterpiece by saying “it was all a dream” 😑

                                                        • walter black
                                                          walter black  1 days back

                                                          this was real Hollywood movie (before spielberg Comes)

                                                          • Slayerlv
                                                            Slayerlv  1 days back

                                                            I just saw the movie it was awesome.. my take of the film is that everything happened as we saw it from him getting mugged in the alley to killing people in the subway I feel he was telling his story to the shrink in the hospital at the end of the movie which would explain the hallucinations about the girl friend and other hallucinations in the movie at the end where he laughs at himself about his life being a joke saying that she wouldn't understand

                                                            • Hellspectre1
                                                              Hellspectre1  1 days back

                                                              Hello anyone wanna talk? I like to have some human interraction

                                                              • MrJustwatchin9 Ontheinnanets

                                                                Arthur was probably the progenitor of the Jack Napier joker who Possibly could be a copycat joker and took it to the next level.

                                                                • The Mr. J Show
                                                                  The Mr. J Show  2 days back

                                                                  Until todd says different, this is joker and this is his true origin

                                                                  • N FORCE 5
                                                                    N FORCE 5  2 days back

                                                                    Screw no Batman. He’s a dumb director.

                                                                    • Kali
                                                                      Kali  2 days back

                                                                      I think the scene where another joker killed Bruce's parents was a sign that Arthur inspired the joker but isn't the actual joker we know

                                                                      • Jia Hajime
                                                                        Jia Hajime  2 days back

                                                                        So much hatred reflexed by the audiences and the movie. The first time I can finally see people embrace this topic. How about self defense? How about society? Who is the hypocrite, is he pyscho clown or the rich or the comedian star?

                                                                        • Eldar Isgandarov
                                                                          Eldar Isgandarov  2 days back

                                                                          I love how the character slowly forms into the cartoony joker we all know from the comics and early shows/films, with him prancing about on stage after shooting Murray and running around the hallways of the asylum in the last shot!

                                                                          • J Rizzo
                                                                            J Rizzo  2 days back

                                                                            My friend who was a producer on this movie confirmed this movie is a set up for the soon-coming REAL Joker -- Jared Leto.

                                                                            Just kidding. Love you, guys.

                                                                            • Donald Shero
                                                                              Donald Shero  2 days back

                                                                              Don’t tell me when he killed Murray the laugh wasn’t genuine cause I’m not buying it! I felt that sick laughter

                                                                              • Jourdan Immanuel
                                                                                Jourdan Immanuel  2 days back

                                                                                I absolutely hate the idea that everything up until the end was all a lie. The scenes where Arthur imagined having a relationship would become pointless if this was true. What's funny is that Arthur was clearer in thought when he came off his meds and as he began to fall into Nihilism. He was in Arkham some time before the movie for reasons he can't even explain but at the end of the movie, he knows exactly why he's there.

                                                                                I didn't think I'd enjoy a Joker with an fleshed out origin story (I didn't even like the multiple choice one from the Killing Joke) but I love Arthur's story.

                                                                                • Medicinewind Chaney
                                                                                  Medicinewind Chaney  2 days back

                                                                                  If it wasn’t real then why show bruce waynes parents get ... nevermind I get it

                                                                                  • Catnium
                                                                                    Catnium  2 days back

                                                                                    I remember it this way...




                                                                                    Sometimes I remember all the nonsense the media said about my movie..

                                                                                    • Kyle Man
                                                                                      Kyle Man  2 days back

                                                                                      Of course Arthur can't be the real Joker that Batman fights. He'd be too old by the time Bruce becomes Batman!

                                                                                      • shreyas shelar
                                                                                        shreyas shelar  2 days back

                                                                                        I heard someone saying that ...the man trying to catch Arthur in the last scene is the actual JOKER. What abt this theory?

                                                                                        • Shendue
                                                                                          Shendue  2 days back

                                                                                          The movie goal is to put us into Joker's perspective. The movie itself is multiple choice.

                                                                                          • Freshminster
                                                                                            Freshminster  2 days back

                                                                                            I think everything is real until he doesn't get medicated. The second half of the movie is him fantasicing , about killing and becoming a person someone would look up too. In a city where bankers are so arrogant and selfish , why would they ride a dirty train ? Why does he fire 7 shots with a gun that only can hold 6 bullets ? Where is the lady who went away ?

                                                                                            • Henry Ayers
                                                                                              Henry Ayers  2 days back

                                                                                              My brain just assumed most of it was real and at the end he escapes from Arkham before turning into heath ledger and fighting Batman in the dark knight!

                                                                                              • DadGeek UK
                                                                                                DadGeek UK  2 days back

                                                                                                Think about it though. If Arthur is the actual Joker, he's a 40+ year old man when Bruce Wayne is a child. That means that by the time Bruce is old enough to be the Batman, Joker is going to be 70+. It's much more likely that events/stories of Arthur's 'Joker' are an inspiration to the child who will eventually become the real Joker.