Film Theory: The Joker Is Not Real (Joker 2019 Spoiler Free)

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  • Published: 08 September 2019
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    This year we are getting a seemingly brand new take on the classic Batman villain, the Joker. This version stars Joaquin Phoenix as a failed comedian named Arthur Fleck - a new name for the old character. People are saying it's a whole new origin story for the Joker and I think that's true... but maybe not in the way most people are thinking. I think this Joker is not actually REAL! What do I mean? You're about to find out!

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    Credits:
    Writer: Matthew Patrick and Zach Stewart
    Editors: Dan "Cybert" Seibert, BanditRants, and Alex "Sedge" Sedgwick
    Assistant Editor: AlyssaBeCrazy
    Sound Editor: Yosi Berman

    Sources:
    https://www.nme.com/news/film/joker-director-says-viewers-will-mad-new-film-strays-completely-comic-book-2525698
    https://www.nme.com/news/film/marc-maron-tells-us-working-joaquin-phoenixs-upcoming-joker-origin-movie-2466904
    http://www.schizophrenia.com/earlysigns.htm#
    https://www.sciencealert.com/schizophrenia-is-80-genetic-according-to-this-massive-study-on-twins
    https://sci-hub.tw/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1556-4029.12858
    https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/robert-de-niro-joker-king-of-comedy-1202055636/
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Comments • 12 093

  • Russian Tortoise
    Russian Tortoise  3 hours back

    that theory is false because you say it was all in his head,but batmans parents were killed by one of the jokers followers,so it was true all along

    • PRAKSHAL SINGHVICOM
      PRAKSHAL SINGHVICOM  4 hours back

      He missed a point joker came after batman this means joker came after bruce Wyne became batman but in this movie he is just a kid

      • Senatic
        Senatic  24 hours back

        Oh this didn't age well considering


        Spoiler:
        In the movie Arthur is adopted so he can't inherit schizophrenia from his mother, also the movie explains his mental illness is partly due to physical as well as psychological trauma as child.

        • Koriander Yander
          Koriander Yander  1 days back

          I love that movie

          • getting 50 subscribers challenge

            thats not joker its the men

            • Cough Symcox
              Cough Symcox  2 days back

              Sad that Rupert Pupkin got killed on live tv.

              • mark borishnikoff
                mark borishnikoff  2 days back

                The Joker movie was the Inverse of Captain Marvel.

                • precidiakeff
                  precidiakeff  2 days back

                  I dont think the clown suits have any relevance. He broke down and murdered 3 rich kids like dogs while in that sign-twirling clown suit.

                  • Juan Pantaleon
                    Juan Pantaleon  2 days back

                    Did he even watch the movie?

                    • satchit bhattacharya
                      satchit bhattacharya  8 hours back

                      Juan Pantaleon he did this theory before the movie came out, he has made another one about the movie’s ending

                  • Ishfaq Ahmed
                    Ishfaq Ahmed  2 days back

                    Real jocker is Heath Ledger

                    • CommandMode
                      CommandMode  2 days back

                      "People expect you to behave, as if you don't."

                      • Lɛօռ Rɛαɖɛʀ
                        Lɛօռ Rɛαɖɛʀ  2 days back

                        2019 was the age of clowns: Pennywise, Joker, etc.

                        *"Send in the clowns."*

                        • Cyril Channie
                          Cyril Channie  2 days back

                          You are reaching as usual

                          • Emajenus
                            Emajenus  3 days back

                            They did lie to us. We expected a shy person struggling with mental illness imagining himself to be a confident killer. We got a confident killer imagining himself to be a shy person struggling with mental illness. That's what the whole ending was about.

                            • Artist Zeo
                              Artist Zeo  3 days back

                              🚨🚨SPOILER🚨🚨





                              It’s been a while since he guessed a movie spot on like this...

                              • mar15
                                mar15  3 days back

                                He wrote with his non-dominant left hand on the bottom of the page, thus its disorganization.

                                • Emílio B. Pedrollo
                                  Emílio B. Pedrollo  3 days back

                                  Almost. Almost.

                                  • Derethevil
                                    Derethevil  3 days back

                                    I had high hopes for The Boys, but as nearly everything these god forsaken days.. it completely relies on sex and what not.

                                    I tried my best to watch it, but i absolutely hate it when people try to cater to everyone with as broad of a spectrum of effects to entertain. It is dirt cheap and that is really sad to say, since i always wanted more like Watchmen or what The Boys tries to be.

                                    Watched the second episode, but as always.. sex sex sex sex.
                                    So i stopped. The only way i accept sex in a series or a movie is if it is really relevant to the "plot".
                                    But in there it is just there.

                                    • AcRoNoX
                                      AcRoNoX  3 days back

                                      u over reacted this time.. no... no

                                      • Tyler Curtis
                                        Tyler Curtis  3 days back

                                        This movie was posted on my birthday. I really liked it as you can see.

                                        • Gros Lait
                                          Gros Lait  3 days back

                                          I have mental illness as well, when I get beaten by my grandfather I laughed,when my friend's car crashed I have seen it as a big fat joke.

                                          • Lasagna Chan
                                            Lasagna Chan  3 days back

                                            Fact, the actor for Joker actually has PTSD, after watching his brother get shot for no reason. He's literally mental, so the role suits him.

                                            • Anthony Warren
                                              Anthony Warren  3 days back

                                              Your site sucks

                                              • 11mrOZ
                                                11mrOZ  3 days back

                                                Did they bring Robert De'Niro in for that king of comedy parallel specifically? Well played 9:20

                                                • Tiny Table Wargames
                                                  Tiny Table Wargames  3 days back

                                                  Marvel Kiddie Fanboy doesn't like Joker... what a surprise...

                                                  • rambobunny1
                                                    rambobunny1  4 days back

                                                    people bipolar confusing schizophrenia public paul out the Schizophrenia card
                                                    getting away with it bullying police cant do jacks shit things youar crazy

                                                    • crabb ladd
                                                      crabb ladd  4 days back

                                                      So ya like dark superhero stories? Read worm.

                                                      • Mc deek
                                                        Mc deek  4 days back

                                                        You can kinda tell he hasn’t watched the movie so...

                                                        • PeDroZa Jnr
                                                          PeDroZa Jnr  4 days back

                                                          Spoiler free, huh?

                                                          • Denislav Stanchev
                                                            Denislav Stanchev  4 days back

                                                            Well you kinda got it right!
                                                            Now tell us who are Rays parents before the movie gets out.

                                                            • Blazé
                                                              Blazé  4 days back

                                                              *SPOILER* Hold up @The Film Theorists Arthur Fleck was NOT blood-related to his mother. If you watched the movie, she adopted him to convince batman's father that she had a child by him. Tsk tsk tsk!

                                                              • Blazé
                                                                Blazé  4 days back

                                                                " ...super hero with bad nipples..." hahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha aaaaaaaaaaaaa!

                                                                • Jadie
                                                                  Jadie  4 days back

                                                                  Im sorry but at 5:30 i just started crying. People often misunderstand this illness. My own mother has it it has caused her to miss my childhood. If she was off her medication she was basically insane sometimes in a daze leaving me alone in crowded areas(age 1) when she did take her medication she’d only been seen sleeping. I know this is more like a rant but this illness is worse than it seems. Just to add something that i think needs awareness is the dutch health system.... because because of them she’ll never recover.....because they let her smoke w**d and even worse things i wont name. Just wanted to say that this illness can be devastating to a person but also the ones around them....and i can speak from experience.....i didn’t have a childhood because of it.

                                                                  • 50 Shades of Gandalf
                                                                    50 Shades of Gandalf  4 days back

                                                                    The reason his handwriting changes is because in the beginning of the movie, when he is Arthur Fleck, he writes with his right hand. But as the movie goes on and Arthur begins to die and Joker begins to flourish, he begins to write with his left hand (everything about Arthur has to change.....aka "Everything has to go" as the sign in the very first scene suggests). Even the way he dances, when he is Arthur, it's very rigid and jerky. But when he is becoming Joker, his dancing becomes more fluid and confident as he becomes more comfortable with being the Joker.

                                                                    • Coffee Chan UωU
                                                                      Coffee Chan UωU  5 days back

                                                                      I just finished watching joker and I found this

                                                                      • DynamiteBee
                                                                        DynamiteBee  5 days back

                                                                        That doesn't make sense though, because if he was actually hallucinating the whole mob thing, Bruce Wayne's parents wouldn't be killed... Which is untrue. Bruce Wayne's origin story did involve his parents being killed

                                                                        • HSandrw
                                                                          HSandrw  5 days back

                                                                          I don't think he imagined the riots. You were right to say that Arthur didn't engineer the protests, evidently he killed the rich guys because they attacked him and the people believed they where murderer for being rich. Also, in the talk show he says he doesn't believe in anything. In short he didn't light the fight for political reason but eventually everything is political.

                                                                          • player 5.56
                                                                            player 5.56  5 days back

                                                                            "We live in a society"
                                                                            "all i have are negative toughts"
                                                                            "You wouldnt get it"

                                                                            Joker

                                                                            • Odarris Dhaiti
                                                                              Odarris Dhaiti  6 days back

                                                                              This movie is great cause you can't tell what really happened

                                                                              • Odarris Dhaiti
                                                                                Odarris Dhaiti  6 days back

                                                                                This movie is great cause you can't tell what really happened

                                                                                • Gray_justGray
                                                                                  Gray_justGray  6 days back

                                                                                  "People expect you to behave like you don't." That's very true. From illnesses like schizophrenia to things like dyslexia. I have ADHD, and one of the symptoms of that illness is short term memory problems, I have to ask about things I just heard. And no matter what I say it always makes people angry. They always think I'm not listening or don't care. I am listening and I do care, but I can't behave like them.

                                                                                  • Noah Crocker
                                                                                    Noah Crocker  7 days back

                                                                                    This theory was fairly accurate

                                                                                    • xXChris_P_ BaconXx
                                                                                      xXChris_P_ BaconXx  7 days back

                                                                                      So sad right now i really want to hug him

                                                                                      • JOSEPH SORCE
                                                                                        JOSEPH SORCE  7 days back

                                                                                        "I Watched it, in the Theater ....if this is 'Original' .... I'm a 'Homo Habilis' ... It is Derived from BOTH 'King of Comedy' and 'Taxi Driver' ... Don't say it's 'Original' .... If you want an Original Movie ... Don't Copy other Script Premises and Action !!!!!!!"

                                                                                        • Ground
                                                                                          Ground  1 weeks back

                                                                                          Ware can I find the song that starts at 3:20

                                                                                          • IM KIRB
                                                                                            IM KIRB  1 weeks back

                                                                                            My aunt is schizophrenic and this really hit home

                                                                                            • fahri farizan
                                                                                              fahri farizan  1 weeks back

                                                                                              Don't forget mega mind

                                                                                              • Jake
                                                                                                Jake  1 weeks back

                                                                                                Doesn’t anyone remember the first scene with the counsellor where they reference joker being in the some mental asylum and flashes back to him banging his head on the glass of door? Does that mean that the movie started in the last scene or that it was all fake? Where can i find someone talk about this?